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» 印度防衛(wèi)網(wǎng):DRDO開發(fā)陸軍下一代坦克
    http://www.santaihu.com/drdo-to-develop-armys-next-generation-tank.html
    
    印度防衛(wèi)網(wǎng):DRDO開發(fā)陸軍下一代坦克。大多數(shù)裝甲不適應(yīng)夜間作戰(zhàn),這個項目至關(guān)重要。2010年3月,在拉賈斯坦邦沙漠,“國防研究與發(fā)展組織”(DRDO,以下簡稱)的阿瓊坦克在試驗中得出優(yōu)于俄羅斯T-90的結(jié)論,成為軍隊的樣板。再此成功試驗的鼓舞下,軍隊隨后訂購了124輛阿瓊坦克,DRDO現(xiàn)在準(zhǔn)備開發(fā)印度下一代坦克,目前被稱為未來主戰(zhàn)坦克。
    
    譯者:ngageboy
    譯文來源:http://bbs.santaihu.com
    外文地址:http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/indian-army/1285-future-main-battle-tank-drdo-news-discussions.html
    
    
    
    DRDO to develop army's next-generation tank
    
    印度DRDO開發(fā)陸軍下一代坦克(和下一代步兵戰(zhàn)車)
    
    With most of our armour unfit to fight at night, the project is crucial.
    In March this year, during trials in the Rajasthan desert, the Defence R&D Organisation’s Arjun tank conclusively outperformed the Russian T-90, the army’s showpiece. Buoyed by that success and by the army’s consequent order for 124 additional Arjuns, the DRDO is now readying to develop India’s next-generation tank, currently termed the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).
    
    大多數(shù)裝甲不適應(yīng)夜間作戰(zhàn),這個項目至關(guān)重要。
    
    2010年3月,在拉賈斯坦邦沙漠,“國防研究與發(fā)展組織”(DRDO,以下簡稱)的阿瓊坦克在試驗中得出優(yōu)于俄羅斯T-90的結(jié)論,成為軍隊的樣板。再此成功試驗的鼓舞下,軍隊隨后訂購了124輛阿瓊坦克,DRDO現(xiàn)在準(zhǔn)備開發(fā)印度下一代坦克,目前被稱為未來主戰(zhàn)坦克(FMBT,以下簡稱)。
    
    While costs are still being evaluated, the projections are mind-boggling. The development cost alone could be Rs 5,000 crore. Then, the replacement cost of the Indian Army’s 4,000 tanks — at a conservative Rs 25 crore per FMBT — adds to Rs 1,00,000 crore. The bulk of this would flow, over years of production, to Tier-I and Tier-II suppliers from small and medium industries.
    
    雖然成本仍在估算,預(yù)計將會是個天文數(shù)字。單獨的開發(fā)成本可能是500億盧比。那么,印度陸軍的4000輛坦克的替換成本 ——每輛FMBT按保守估計達25億盧比——總額將升至1萬億盧比。持續(xù)多年的生產(chǎn),大部分將流向第一層和第二層的中小型工業(yè)供應(yīng)商。
    
    For the first time, the DRDO has outlined the FMBT project’s contours. Talking exclusively to Business Standard, DRDO chief and Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister, V K Saraswat, revealed, “While the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) has been handed over to private industry, the DRDO will develop the FMBT. We need about seven-eight years from the time the project is formally sanctioned. The army and the DRDO have already identified the major features of the FMBT, which are quite different from the Arjun. While the Arjun is a 60-tonne tank, the FMBT will be lighter… about 50 tonnes. It will be a highly mobile tank.”
    
    這是DRDO第一次概述了FMBT項目的輪廓。在接受《商業(yè)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)》報的專訪中,DRDO首席科學(xué)顧問國防部長VK薩拉斯瓦特 透露說,“雖然未來步兵戰(zhàn)車(FICV,以下簡稱)已移交給私人公司,但FMBT將由DRDO來開發(fā)。我們需要大約7?8年時間來正式認可該項目。軍隊和DRDO已經(jīng)確定FMBT的主要特點,將與阿瓊有很大的不同。阿瓊是一款擁有60噸重的坦克,而FMBT將變得更輕…約50噸。這將是一款高機動性的坦克“。
    
    Vital project
    
    核心工程
    
    The FMBT project, says the military, is crucial for India’s future battle readiness. As army chief, General Deepak Kapoor pronounced 80 per cent of India’s tank fleet unfit to fight at night, which is when most tank battles take place. The bulk of our fleet, some 2,400 obsolescent Russian T-72s, are being shoddily patched up (see Business Standard, Feb 3, ‘Army to spend billions on outdated T-72 tanks’). More modern T-90 tanks were procured from Russia in 2001, shorn of crucial systems to reduce prices, after parliamentary dissent threatened to derail the contract (Business Standard, Feb 4, ‘Piercing the army’s armour of deception’). Only now, after nine years of stonewalling, has Russia transferred the technology needed to build the T-90 in India.
    
    軍方表示面對未來戰(zhàn)爭的挑戰(zhàn)FMBT項目至關(guān)重要。作為陸軍參謀長的迪帕克·卡普爾將軍聲稱80%的印度坦克部隊不適應(yīng)夜間作戰(zhàn),而(夜間)又是很多坦克對戰(zhàn)發(fā)生的時候。我們坦克部隊的大部分,約2,400輛是過時的俄羅斯T-72S,正處糟糕的修修補補中(見商務(wù)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)報,2月3日“陸軍在過時的T-72坦克上花費數(shù)十億')。 2001年從俄羅斯采購了更現(xiàn)代化的T-90坦克,在閹割了關(guān)鍵系統(tǒng)來降低價格后,議會持不同政見者揚言要破壞該合同(企業(yè)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)報,2月4日,“刺入陸軍裝甲的欺騙')。經(jīng)過9年的和稀泥,到現(xiàn)在(2010年)俄羅斯才轉(zhuǎn)讓相關(guān)技術(shù),允許在印度本土制造T-90。
    
    FMBT. These have been formalised in a document called the Preliminary Specifications Qualitative Requirement (PSQR). The detailed specifications of the FMBT, once finalised, will be listed in General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQR).
    
    FMBT已經(jīng)在一份被稱為“初步規(guī)格質(zhì)量要求” (PSQR)的文件中被證實。 FMBT的詳細規(guī)格一旦敲定,將在被列入“總參謀部質(zhì)量要求”(GSQR)。
    
    Amongst the capabilities being finalised for the GSQR are: active armour, which will shoot down enemy anti-tank projectiles before they strike the FMBT; extreme mobility, which makes the FMBT much harder to hit; the capability to operate in a nuclear-contaminated battlefield without exposing the crew to radiation; and the networked flow of information to the FMBT, providing full situational awareness to the crew, even when “buttoned down” inside the tank.
    
    被確定為GSQR當(dāng)中的能力有:主動裝甲,用來摧毀攻擊FMBT的敵方反坦克炮彈;極其優(yōu)異的機動性,這使FMBT更難被擊中,操控能力,讓在核污染的戰(zhàn)場上乘員不暴露在輻射中,網(wǎng)絡(luò)信息力,向乘員提供戰(zhàn)場全面的態(tài)勢感知能力,甚至可以“一鍵下載”即時安裝進坦克。
    
    Also being finalised is the FMBT armament, a key attribute that determines a tank’s battlefield influence. The Arjun already has a heavy 120mm ‘main gun’, and two small-calibre machine guns; the recently ordered batch of 124 Arjuns will also fire anti-tank missiles through their main gun. The army wants all of those for the FMBT, with ranges enhanced through technological improvements.
    
    當(dāng)然最后確定的是FMBT武器,這個關(guān)鍵屬性直接決定了坦克在戰(zhàn)場上的表現(xiàn)。阿瓊已裝備一款重型120毫米'主炮,兩挺小口徑機槍,最近訂購的一批124阿瓊通過主炮也可以發(fā)射反坦克導(dǎo)彈。陸軍希望FMBT具備以上這些能力,并通過技術(shù)改進提高射程。
    
    However, the DRDO chief ruled out an electromagnetic gun, the next generation in high-velocity guns towards which armament technology aspires. “The Future MBT is not so far in the future,” Saraswat quipped
    
    當(dāng)然,朝著下一代高初速火炮裝備技術(shù)的方向發(fā)展,DRDO首席顧問表示不排除裝備電磁炮。 “未來的FMBT也并不是那么遙遠,”薩拉斯瓦特打趣說。
    
    FICV, too
    
    未來步兵戰(zhàn)車
    
    With the FMBT project squarely on its agenda, the DRDO also envisages a major role in developing the FICV. Says the DRDO chief, “The FICV is not just a conventional armoured vehicle for transporting soldiers. It involves advanced technologies and multidisciplinary integration, which private industry has never done. Only the DRDO and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) have that experience. DRDO teams are already thinking about the technologies that should go into the FICV. But this is only to support private industry in making the FICV project a success.”
    
    While private industry weighs its options about where to manufacture the FICV, the DRDO has already chosen the Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) in Avadi —- the OFB facility that builds the Arjun —- as the FMBT production line.
    
    “It will definitely be produced in HVF. I see no way that we can go away from HVF,” says Saraswat. “The HVF will work with us from the preliminary design of the FMBT, so that we can go from prototype to mass production without any hiccups.”
    
    FMBT正按項目議程推進,因此,DRDO的概念發(fā)展對FICV起到了重要作用。DRDO首席顧問聲稱,“FICV并不只是一個傳統(tǒng)的裝甲運兵車。它涉及先進技術(shù)和多學(xué)科集成,私營公司從未參與過。此前只有DRDO和軍工委員會(OFB)有這方面的經(jīng)驗。已經(jīng),DRDO的團隊正在考慮相關(guān)技術(shù)如何應(yīng)用到FICV項目里。但這僅僅是為了支持那些私有公司,使FICV項目最終成功。“
    
    雖然私營公司是FICV項目的重要組成部分,但DRDO已經(jīng)選擇在阿瓦迪的重型車輛廠生產(chǎn)(HVF),即軍工委員會生產(chǎn)阿瓊坦克的工廠,也是FMBT的生產(chǎn)線。
    
    “這里將肯定會在這里投產(chǎn)。薩拉斯瓦特說,“我認為沒有辦法拋開重型車輛廠。 “工廠將與我們攜手合作FMBT的初步設(shè)計,所以我們可以從原型車到大規(guī)模生產(chǎn)型都不會有任何的問題。”
    
    以下為網(wǎng)民評論:
    
    譯者:ngageboy
    譯文來源:http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7141-1-1.html
    
     True_Indian(印度) What about stealth ?
    
     隱形性能如何?
    
     RoYaN(印度)回復(fù)True_Indian(印度)
     Oh God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     Its a tank and not the T-50 for their to be stealth.
    
     What about the Armour and most importantly ENGINE
    
     上帝呀!
     這是坦克不像T-50(第五代戰(zhàn)機)一樣需要隱形
     應(yīng)該討論裝甲如何,發(fā)動機才是最重要的
    
     JAISWAL(印度)
     They must work to provide gas turbine engine 4 good power and agility. and we know a engine which might fit in
    
     他們必須努力提供燃氣渦輪發(fā)動機使坦克擁有良好的動力性和靈活性。我們知道有款發(fā)動機可能適合
    
     True_Indian(印度)
     ardon my ignorance..
     wont stealth come handy against awac and other radars ?
    
     請原諒我的無知。。
     不能隱形如何去對抗空中預(yù)警和其他雷達呢?
    
     Flanker143(印度)
     (節(jié)選)
     The Arjun-Mk II tank will have a number of upgrades compared with Arjun-Mk I. Missiles can be fired from the former to destroy long-range targets and bring down attack helicopters. The tank's commander will have a panoramic sight with night vision.
     “With this upgrade, the commander can carry out his hunting job at night with his thermal sight and engage targets more effectively,” Mr. Sundaresh explained.
    
     阿瓊MK II型坦克是有多項升級的阿瓊MK改進型,可以發(fā)射導(dǎo)彈摧毀遠距離目標(biāo),還可以擊落武裝直升機。該坦克車長擁有周視夜視儀。
    
     “通過這次升級,車長可以通過夜視儀和熱成像搜索目標(biāo),可更有效地打擊目標(biāo),Sundaresh先生的解釋!
    
     flanker143(印度)
     so the turret problem will persist in mk2 version.....thats not good....
    
     so arjun cannot fire on fast moves but can the t 90 ??
    
     那么炮塔的問題依然存在于MK2.....那可不好....
    
     阿瓊不能在快速移動中開火,但T 90可以?
    
     Jagjitnatt(印度)回復(fù)flanker143(印度)
    
     Its true that our T90s aren't the best T90s out there. But T90s in general are pretty good. They are better than what Pakistan or China field. Arjun Mk II would be better than Mk I but still nowhere near the T90 overall.
    
     So its T90S > Arjun Mk II> Arjun Mk I > T72
    
     I expect some 200-300 Mk II Arjuns.
    
     這是真的,我們的T90s不是該型號坦克中最好的。但T90s總的來說還不錯。他們比什么巴基斯坦或中國方面的更好。阿瓊MK II型將比MK I型更好,但整體上仍遠不及T90。
    
     因此,它T90S>阿瓊MK II型>阿瓊Mk I型> T72
    
     我期待能裝備200-300輛阿瓊MK II。
    
     The _Magnificent(印度)
     Yeah i also read this article of ajay shukla. felt bad how indian army purchased downgraded version of T90.
    
     Do arjun have any self defence system ? or will it have in mark II version. if it have how efficient it is .
    
     是啊,我也看過這篇文章。感覺很糟糕,印度陸軍干嘛買閹割版的T90呀。
    
     阿瓊有任何自我防御系統(tǒng)嗎?或?qū)淼腗ARK II呢。如果有那它的效果怎么樣?
    
     Naren1987(印度)
     What will the power to weight ratio for a tank powered by this engine?
    
     這款坦克搭載的發(fā)動機的功率推重比怎么樣?
    
     The _Magnificent(印度)回復(fù)Naren1987(印度)
    
     Easy to calculate bro. All info is already given.
    
     weight = 50 Tonne
    
     Power = 1500 BHp
    
     Calculation
    
     power = 1500 horsepower
     weight = 50 ton metric
    
     power to weight ratio = power / weight = 1500 / 50 = 30
    
     So power to weight ratio will be 30 hp/tonne Arjun's p to w ratio is 23.9 hp/tonne
    
     伙計,很簡單的。已經(jīng)給出所有信息了
    
     重量= 50噸
    
     功率=1500馬力
    
     功率重量比=功率/重量=1500/50 =30
    
     因此,功率推重比達到30馬力/噸,阿瓊的功率推重比為23.9馬力/噸
    
     flanker143(印度)
     sir i request u to put some gud informative articles about Indian t 90s......since there is alot of negativity regarding them.
    
     先生,我希望你能提供一些有關(guān)T90S的詳實文章,因為有很多關(guān)于它們的負面消息
    
     i have a question that why army has been interested in lighter mbt ~~50tns ....always reluctant to induct the much heavier arjun......
     even now they want the fmbt to weigh 50tns.....what is the reason behind this that army is so concerned about the weight of their mbts....
    
     plzz rep...thanks in advance...
    
     我有一個問題,為什么軍隊一直對輕量化的主戰(zhàn)坦克有興趣??比如50噸....總是不愿意接納重得多的阿瓊......
     即使是現(xiàn)在他們要的FMBT也限制在50噸..... 軍隊關(guān)注他們的主戰(zhàn)坦克的重量這背后的原因是什么......
    
     在此先謝了...
    
     Dliemma(加拿大)
     Weight was not the only issue (even though it did play a small role) as to why the army was reluctant to induct the Arjun in large numbers. The Arjun had problems with its engine and the FCS. But they all have now seem to be fixed.
    
     At first, because of its weight and dimensions, the army had to setup a brand new logistics base just for the Arjun. Add to that, the army has been very used to using lighter soviet tanks and the T-90 fit in as it was almost the same weight and it had a lot of commonalities with the T-72.
    
     As for as the reason why they are concerned about weight is afaik mostly based on a logistical point of view. As it is you, you cannot even take the lighter tanks to mountainous areas so I don't know how much of a difference it can make.
    
     重量不僅僅是一個簡單問題(盡管它只是一個小方面),為什么軍隊不愿意接納大量的阿瓊。是因為阿瓊和未來戰(zhàn)斗系統(tǒng)(FCS,美國主導(dǎo)的下一代裝甲車輛標(biāo)準(zhǔn))都一樣在發(fā)動機上存在問題。但現(xiàn)在似乎已經(jīng)完善起來了。
    
     起初,由于其重量和尺寸,軍隊為了阿瓊不得不設(shè)置一個全新的物流基地。與此同時,陸軍對操作更輕的蘇聯(lián)坦克顯然更熟練,T-90同樣適用,因為它有和T-72幾乎相同的重量,還有很多共性。
    
     為他們所關(guān)心的重量據(jù)我所知的原因,大多是基于物流的角度來看。同時,你把坦克弄得更輕一點的話就不能進入山區(qū)了,所以我不知道還有多少因為重量造成差別。
    
     Butters(印度)
     Looks like Merkava and T-90 had a baby!
    
     The barrel is really long, could make it the tank less agile. Man, I wish they would hurry up and make it 2020 is too long to wait!
    
     看起來像梅卡瓦和T90結(jié)合的產(chǎn)物
     炮管很長,可能會讓坦克的靈活性降低;镉,我希望他們能快點,到2020才造出來等的時間就太長了!
    
     Connan(美國)
     hope it looks something like this
    
     我希望看起來是這樣的
    
    
    
    
    
     Hashu(加拿大)回復(fù)Connan(美國)
     ^^^^^great pics, i think that's the T-95 tank that was canceled
    
     好圖,我想那是被取消的T-95坦克
    
     Hashu(加拿大)回復(fù)Jagjitnatt(印度)
     more than 200-300 DRDO wanted the army to buy over 500 MK1 to cover the costs for development but they only got 224 but they also got a promise that the army will buy enouph MK2 to cover the development for both MK1 and MK2...so i am guessing about 400-500...plus we need to replace our older tanks!
    
     超過200-300輛, DRDO希望軍隊購買超過500輛 MK1來平攤開發(fā)費用,但他們只拿到了224輛的訂單,但他們也得到了一個承諾,軍隊想要買足夠多的MK2,來共同發(fā)展MK1和MK2...所以我猜測有400-500輛......再加上我們需要替換老坦克!
    
     Ved Mishra(印度)
     I believe the army's focus is on helicopter gunships at the moment. They are going for gradual value additions in the Arjun.
     Seems logical too.
    
     我相信目前陸軍的焦點放在武裝直升機上。他們將在阿瓊項目上逐步升級改進。
     看起來也合乎邏輯。
    
     simplystupid(印度)
     Is there a guarantee this will not happen again ? Point that is being made.. focus should acquisition of technology rather than acquisition of platforms or delegating design work Russian and Israelis. There is no evidence in efforts putting there getting there......... no evidence in improving manufacturing capabilities. At least for me situation far from satisfactory and unsustainable... Current situation is conducive build capabilities to produce better platforms and even export them. till no evidence comes forward.. i will be critical about the Defense establish management. If folks managing cannot innovate atleast they copy what China is doing...
    
     是否有保證這不會再發(fā)生?應(yīng)該集中收購平臺或委托設(shè)計工作作為重點,比如俄羅斯和以色列的技術(shù),而不是收購。目前還沒有什么跡象表明往那個方向在努力——提高制造能力。至少對于我來說,情況遠不能令人滿意,目前的情況是不可持續(xù)的,(制造)有利于建立能力,產(chǎn)生更好的平臺,甚至出口。直到?jīng)]有證據(jù)顯示出來..這將成為國防樹立管理的關(guān)鍵。如果人們不能創(chuàng)新管理至少做到復(fù)制,中國就正這么干呢...
    
     Smestarz(印度)
     (節(jié)選)
     And I abosolutely agree that we need to devise strategies and doctrines based on our global position (peninsula with Pakistan next to us and we having to secure the Arabian sea and Indian ocean to protect our OWN trade routes even against Somali Pirates.
     China is copying American and Russian doctrine but then it is also modifying some to suit its position.
     China having Aircraft carrier is primarily to protect its Extended claimed maritime course which leaves other countries with nothing. Maybe shall try to put a map or link
     So positioning aircraft carrier against Malaysia, philippines does benefit china with its force projection theory, but at the same time it has to go with Carrier group (to protect its carrier)
     BBC News - China accuses Vietnam in South China Sea row
    
     而且我也絕對同意在我們?nèi)虻匚坏幕A(chǔ)上需要制訂戰(zhàn)略和學(xué)說(巴基斯坦半島就我們旁邊,我們要確保阿拉伯海和印度洋貿(mào)易航線來保護我們自己,同時打擊索馬里海盜,。
     中國正在復(fù)制美國和俄羅斯的學(xué)說,但它肯定會進行一些修改,以適應(yīng)其自己的定位。
     中國航母主是為了保護其海上擴展,當(dāng)然也聲稱這不會對其他國家造成什么影響。也許只是盡量納入地圖或相連而已
     所以中國航母定位是為了對抗馬來西亞和菲律賓,國家利益會影響其兵力投射理論,同時也需要建立一個航母戰(zhàn)斗群(以保護航母)
     BBC新聞 - 中國指責(zé)越南在中國南海的行為
    
     Jason _sid(加拿大)
     I don't believe it would be very practical. Even a low end RPG could quite potentially spell disaster for the machine.
    
     (這是回答前面有網(wǎng)友提議將坦克與氣墊船相結(jié)合的想法)
     我不認為這將很實用。即使是低端RPG對該機器也能帶來相當(dāng)災(zāi)難破壞。
    
     Smestarz(印度)回復(fù)Jason _sid(加拿大)
     Well your logic,,, is incorrect, for simple thought that RPG has to be aimed and if the target is stable then RPG is effective, but if the Target is in motion, the shooter of the RPG has to predict where exactly to aim the weapon to hit the target, He has to mentally aim at a point C where the Hovercraft has to arrive exactly at the time when the RPG arrives,
     RPG is not exactly supersonic you know.
     So. RPG is not what I worry abt.
     Also if RPG hits the Tracks most tanks will be mobile except their guns
    
     嗯,你的邏輯不對,很簡單當(dāng)RPG瞄準(zhǔn)相對固定的目標(biāo)是,那么RPG是有效的,但如果目標(biāo)是運動的,RPG的射手需要準(zhǔn)確預(yù)測瞄準(zhǔn)武器才能擊中目標(biāo),他需要預(yù)想瞄準(zhǔn)C點發(fā)射,當(dāng)氣墊船到達那里時,發(fā)射的RPG才會正好到達,
     RPG是不是超音速你應(yīng)該知道。
     所以RPG并不值得擔(dān)憂。
     當(dāng)然,如果RPG要用軌跡打擊很多移動中的坦克,就只有用火炮了。
    
     Indian spetsnaz(印度)
     why we dont install black eagle like turret on Arjun and make it FMBT
    
     為什么在阿瓊坦克上不安裝類似黑鷹一樣的炮塔,把他變成FMBT
    
    
    
    
     媽呀,三哥又要開發(fā)新坦克了。尼瑪這個模型怎么這么科幻。。。
    


網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 02:21


    模型在哪。。。。?
    三哥真萌,這一代坦克都還只能拿來閱兵就開始下一代了
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 02:23


    怎么三哥覺得TG的坦克全是T-72或T-72的升級版?問題是TG哪來的T-72來造。?
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 02:25


    過了12點就開始工作了么??- -你們狠。黑糖會傷心的
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 02:30


    阿窮呢?
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 02:38


    三哥軍迷的層次才叫慘不忍睹……
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 02:44


    然后由于攻克各種技術(shù)難關(guān)和追加要求,此坦克2070年終于研發(fā)成功,重量為90噸,造價為12億美元(依2013年物價),載員為7w印度人。
    


網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 02:59


     他們還不明白阿囧的雜耍定位嗎
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 03:09


    Reply Post by kelvin51 (2013-08-22 02:38):
    三哥軍迷的層次才叫慘不忍睹……
    你這是侮辱黑糖大人!明天黑糖就過來噴你了!
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 03:59


    Reply Post by 二十七歲的泰迪熊 (2013-08-22 02:21):
    
    模型在哪。。。。?
    三哥真萌,這一代坦克都還只能拿來閱兵就開始下一代了
    
    這才是真真的跨越式發(fā)展
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 07:44


    我看看30年后是多久來著
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 07:47


    還有一鍵下載功能,干脆搞個二維碼掃描算了。
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 07:50


    我在想,三哥這一代坦克研制出來后,其他國家會不會已經(jīng)淘汰坦克這種武器了。
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 07:51


    又是一個三十年么?
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 07:51


    Reply Post by 維托·W·考利昂 (2013-08-22 07:44):
    我看看30年后是多久來著
    30年能不能搞出來還是個問題
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 07:55


    Reply Post by holytdr (2013-08-22 03:59):
    
    這才是真真的跨越式發(fā)展
    我感覺應(yīng)該叫跨越式閱兵
    
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 07:59


    其實三個哥秉承自主研發(fā)的精神是值得學(xué)習(xí)的
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 08:07


    為什么我瞬間就想到張菊座了~
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 08:08


    活在自己世界里真幸福
    
網(wǎng)友評論2013-08-22 08:16


    沒人覺得這車是毛3+百夫長的結(jié)合么。。
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